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Showerthought: I used to think the moon landing stuff was a waste of time until a friend called me out.

I was at a bar in Denver about six months ago, talking about how dumb the moon landing hoax theory was. My buddy Mark, who is a welder, just looked at me and said, 'You're not even listening to their points, you're just calling them names. That's not a debate, that's you being a jerk.' He was right. I was so sure I was the smart one that I just shut down any talk. So I changed my whole way of doing it. Now, when someone brings up the flag waving or the shadows, I actually ask them to walk me through their best piece of evidence first. I don't jump to the NASA website. I make them explain it, and then I pick that one thing apart with what we know about vacuum physics or camera tech from 1969. It turns a shouting match into a real talk. Has anyone else had to totally change how they approach these arguments to actually get anywhere?
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parker_price
My uncle spent two years trying to convince me the Earth was flat using baking sheets. I finally asked him what proof he'd accept, like grant.felix said, and he just stared at his lasagna. That question really does show if someone's even playing the same game.
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grant.felix
What if you started by asking them what would change their mind? That forces them to think about the standard for proof, not just list claims. It sets up the whole talk to be about how evidence works, which is the real problem anyway.
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taylorellis
But what if they just say "nothing could change my mind"? That feels like the real dead end.
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