Unpopular take: pocket hole screws are way overused for cabinet face frames

I keep seeing guys on job sites and forums act like pocket holes are the only way to join face frames. Last month I framed 12 cabinets for a kitchen remodel in Austin and used traditional mortise and tenon joints instead. Took longer sure but those frames are rock solid after 6 weeks of the homeowner loading them up. Pocket holes work fine for quick stuff but they don't hold up to years of weight shifting. Anyone else ditch them for something stronger?

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bell.felix2d ago

Tbh you're spot on that a glued pocket joint is way stronger than people give it credit for. I'd even go further and say most guys skip the glue step on pocket holes and then wonder why stuff fails later, thats the real issue not the joint itself.

the_spencer2d ago

Okay, going to push back a little here. Mortise and tenon on cabinet face frames is definitely the gold standard for strength and longevity, no argument there. But saying pocket holes don't hold up to "years of weight shifting" is a bit over the top. A properly glued and screwed pocket joint on a face frame is actually pretty darn strong, way stronger than a lot of people give it credit for, especially for typical residential cabinets that don't get abused. They're not ideal for every situation, sure, but calling them weak is just not quite accurate, you know?